Lexicon of Arguments

Philosophical and Scientific Issues in Dispute
 


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The author or concept searched is found in the following 3 entries.
Disputed term/author/ism Author
Entry
Reference
Brain/Brain State Penrose
 
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Genz II 333
Gehirn/Penrose: These: im Gehirn laufen unberechenbare quantenmechanische Vorgänge ab. GehirnforschungVsPenrose: Gehirnprozesse dauern viel länger als die von Penrose analog angenommenen quantenmechanischen Vorgänge. So lange kann die quantenmechanische „Kohärenz“ im Gehirn nicht aufrechterhalten werden.


Penr I
R. Penrose
The Road to Reality: A Complete Guide to the Laws of the Universe 2005

Goedel Deutsch
 
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I 222
DeutschVsPenrose: E.g.
Deutsch cannot consistently prove the truth of this statement.
I can not, although I see that it is true. And I also understand the proposition. So it is at least possible that a statement that is inconceivable for a person, can of course be true, however for any other person. (> Gödel / Penrose).

Deu I
D. Deutsch
Die Physik der Welterkenntnis München 2000

Turing-Machine Dennett
 
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I 623
DennettVsPenrose: he says that the brain is no Turing machine, but he does not say that the brain is not well reproduced by a Turing machine.

Den I
D. Dennett
Darwins gefährliches Erbe Hamburg 1997

Den II
D. Dennett
Spielarten des Geistes Gütersloh 1999


The author or concept searched is found in the following 6 controversies.
Disputed term/author/ism Author Vs Author
Entry
Reference
Artificial Intelligence Penrose Vs Artificial Intelligence
 
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Dennett I 617
PenroseVsAI/PenroseVsArtificial Intelligence: x can perfectly achieve a checkmate There is no algorithm for chess.
  Therefore, the good performance of x can not be explained by the fact that x can run an algorithm.
Dennett I 619
Penrose: if you take any single algorithm, it can not be the method by which human mathematicians insure mathematical truths. Therefore they use no algorithms at all.
I 621
DennettVsPenrose: thus is not shown that the human brain does not operate algorithmically. On the contrary, it makes clear how the cranes of culture, the community of mathematicians can exploit without recognizable boundaries in distributed algorithmic processes.

Penr I
R. Penrose
The Road to Reality: A Complete Guide to the Laws of the Universe 2005

Den I
D. Dennett
Darwins gefährliches Erbe Hamburg 1997

Den II
D. Dennett
Spielarten des Geistes Gütersloh 1999
Deutsch, D. Penrose Vs Deutsch, D.
 
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Penrose: even a quantum computer (D. Deutsch) would be a Turing machine that can compute only proven computable functions.
  But Penrose would also like to push forward with "quantum gravity".
Dennett I 625/626
DennettVsPenrose: why does he think that such a theory must not be predictable? Because otherwise the AI ​​would be possible! That s all. (Fallacy).

Penr I
R. Penrose
The Road to Reality: A Complete Guide to the Laws of the Universe 2005

Den I
D. Dennett
Darwins gefährliches Erbe Hamburg 1997

Den II
D. Dennett
Spielarten des Geistes Gütersloh 1999
Penrose, R. Dennett Vs Penrose, R.
 
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I 614
Gödel/Toshiba Library/Dennett: "there is no single algorithm that can prove all truths of arithmetics." Dennett: But Gödel says nothing about all the other algorithms in the library!
I 617/618
In particular, he says nothing about whether or not there are algorithms in the library for very the impressive performance "to call sentences true"! "Mathematical intuition", risky, heuristic algorithms, etc. DennettVsPenrose: he makes the very mistake of ignoring this group of possible algorithms and of focusing solely on those whose impossibility Gödel had demonstrated. Or about which Gödel says anything at all.
Dennett: an algorithm can bring forth "mathematical insight", although it was not an "algorithm for mathematical insight"!
I 615
PenroseVsArtificial Intelligence: x can perfectly achieve a checkmate - there is no algorithm for chess. Therefore, the good performance of x cannot be explained with the fact that x can run an algorithm.
I 617
DennettVsPenrose: that’s wrong. The level of the algorithm is obviously the correct explanation level. X wins, because he has the better algorithm!
I 619
Fallacy: If the mind is an algorithm, then it certainly cannot be seen or accessed by those whose mind it generates. E.g. There is no specific algorithm for distinguishing italics from bold print, but that does not mean that it cannot be distinguished. E.g. Suppose in the Library of Babel there is a single book which contains the alphabetic order of all New Yorker participants whose net worth is over $ 1 million. ("Megaphone Book"). Now we can prove multiple statements about this book: 1) The first letter on the first page is an A. 2) The first letter on the last page is not A. E.g. The fact that we cannot find any remains of the "mitochondrial Eve" does not mean that we cannot derive any statements about it.
I 619
Penrose: if you take any single algorithm, it cannot be the method by which human mathematicians ensure mathematical truths. Accordingly, they do not use an algorithm at all.
I 621
DennettVsPenrose: this does not show that a human brain does not operate algorithmically. On the contrary, it makes clear how the cranes of culture can exploit the community of mathematicians with no apparent limits in decentralized algorithmic processes.
I 623
DennettVsPenrose: he says that the brain is not a Turing machine, but he does not say that the brain is not well represented by a Turing machine.
Dennett I 625/626
Penrose: even a quantum computer (German) would be a Turing machine which can only calculate functions that are proven to be computable. But Penrose also wishes to advance further than that: with "quantum gravity".
I 628
DennettVsPenrose: why he thinks such a theory should not be computable? Because otherwise AI ​​would be possible! That’s all. (Fallacy). DennettVsPenrose: Idea with microtubules is unconvincing: Suppose he was right, then even cockroaches would have a wayward spirit. Because they have microtubules like us.

Den I
D. Dennett
Darwins gefährliches Erbe Hamburg 1997
Penrose, R. Deutsch Vs Penrose, R.
 
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Penrose behauptet, dass schon die Existenz einer Art offener mathematischer Intuition, sich nicht mit der bestehenden Struktur der Physik und insbesondere nicht mit dem Turingprinzip verträgt.
Wenn das Turingprinzip wahr ist, können wir das Gehirn (wie jedes andre Objekt) als einen Computer auffassen, der ein bestimmtes Programm ausführt. Ein solches Programm verkörpert eine Menge von Hilbertschen Beweisregeln, die nach Gödels Satz nicht vollständig sein kann. I 221
Deshalb kann der Mathematiker, dessen Geist ein Computer ist, diese Aussage ebenfalls niemals als bewiesen anerkennen.
Penrose schlägt dann vor, die Aussage diesem Mathematiker vorzulegen. Der Mathematiker versteht den Beweis. Er ist ja schließlich selbstverständlich gültig, und deshalb kann der Mathematiker vermutlich sehen, dass er gültig ist. Aber das würde Gödel Satz widersprechen. Hier muss also irgendwo ein Fehler stecken. Und das ist nach Penrose" Meinung das Turingprinzip.
DeutschVsPenrose: Bsp Deutsch kann die Wahrheit diese Aussage nicht widerspruchsfrei beweisen.
Das kann ich nicht, obwohl ich sehe dass sie wahr ist, oder nicht? Und ich verstehe den Satz auch. So ist es zumindest möglich, dass eine Aussage für einen Menschen unbegreiflich ist, für jeden anderen jedoch selbstverständlich wahr sein kann! (>Gödel/Penrose).

Deu I
D. Deutsch
Die Physik der Welterkenntnis München 2000
Penrose, R. Pinker Vs Penrose, R.
 
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I 126
Penrose: "The Emperor's New Mind": according to Gödel it follows that mathematicians cannot be computer programs. Since mathematicians often just see if something is true (intuitively).
VsPenrose: shown to be a fallacy by many. 1) Flesh should simply not be as reliable as machines.
2) Microtubules: the quantum mechanical effects simply would have to eliminate each other.
3) Microtubules: are ubiquitous in the cells.
4) Not the slightest indication of the effect of quantum mechanics as a creator of consciousness.

Pi I
St. Pinker
Wie das Denken im Kopf entsteht München 1998
Penrose, R. Quine Vs Penrose, R.
 
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Willard V. O. Quine
VI 155
Determinism/free will/Quine: Although determinism was questioned by quantum physics, this is certainly not a back door for the free will (VsPenrose). I believe with Spinoza and Hume that the determinism has nothing to do with freedom.
Our behavior is only free because it is caused by inner motives. That these are in turn caused somehow, is not in the way of freedom.

Q I
W.V.O. Quine
Wort und Gegenstand Stuttgart 1980

Q II
W.V.O. Quine
Theorien und Dinge Frankfurt 1985

Q III
W.V.O. Quine
Grundzüge der Logik Frankfurt 1978

Q IX
W.V.O. Quine
Mengenlehre und ihre Logik Wiesbaden 1967

Q V
W.V.O. Quine
Die Wurzeln der Referenz Frankfurt 1989

Q VI
W.V.O. Quine
Unterwegs zur Wahrheit Paderborn 1995

Q VII
W.V.O. Quine
From a logical point of view Cambridge, Mass. 1953

Q VIII
W.V.O. Quine
Bezeichnung und Referenz
In
Zur Philosophie der idealen Sprache, J. Sinnreich (Hg), München 1982

Q X
W.V.O. Quine
Philosophie der Logik Bamberg 2005

Q XII
W.V.O. Quine
Ontologische Relativität Frankfurt 2003